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| ronette | 01st April 2006 - 11:21 pm | |
| I would like to know how to reply to the admins comments so that I may get my vexel unsuspended. | ||
Raelynn |
01st April 2006 - 11:23 pm | |
| Just leave a message on their userpage. | ||
| ronette | 01st April 2006 - 11:23 pm | |
| Where is that? Sorry, I'm new. | ||
| Raelynn |
01st April 2006 - 11:24 pm | |
| Well, it depends on who suspended your art (dont post it btw). Isn't there a link as their username? | ||
| ronette | 01st April 2006 - 11:25 pm | |
| No...it just says "Admin". | ||
Linda |
01st April 2006 - 11:26 pm | |
| Yeah those messages don't have a link, just admin. You can send me a message though.. I am the admin :D | ||
| Raelynn |
01st April 2006 - 11:26 pm | |
| Then go to Linda's page, it is here: Linda. | ||
Sarah |
02nd April 2006 - 12:23 am | |
| Your artwork were suspended for a reason. You shouldn't have resubmitted the vexels, and you should have read the rules more carefully if you didn't want the vexels to be submitted in the first place. | ||
| ronette | 02nd April 2006 - 12:49 am | |
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Quote Sarah you should have read the rules more carefully if you didn't want the vexels to be submitted in the first place. What do you mean by this? I read the rules very carefully. After my "Haircut" vexel was suspended, I resubmitted with changes. The second vexel in question had none of the original picture in it as mentioned in the note from the admin. I do want my vexels to be submitted. Also...no where on the rules does it state that you are not able to leave parts of the original picture. In further reading, I would like to know where exactly it states this, because I have found nothing. The only thing that I have found that could somewhat (VERY loosely) interperet into this is "Do not submit unfinished work" BUT it is up to the artist to state whether or not the image is finished. |
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Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 01:03 am | |
| You may (probably are?) be having this conversation already privately with Linda, but a general rule that the mods go by I think is : If you're covering something up that isn't vexelled and trying to make it look like it is, your image gets suspended. The hair on your girl vexel seemed to have (four different mods felt so on their own, not a, 'Hey look at this! I think it's a fake!' 'Let me see... hey! Me too!' but instead we've seen it separately and then realized we all thought so) a dark layer on top set with a transparent effect which lets the original image show through. If I'm wrong, then I hope it's proven to be so. We're just being thorough. |
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| ronette | 02nd April 2006 - 01:13 am | |
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Quote Echoia You may (probably are?) be having this conversation already privately with Linda, but a general rule that the mods go by I think is : If you're covering something up that isn't vexelled and trying to make it look like it is, your image gets suspended. The hair on your girl vexel seemed to have (four different mods felt so on their own, not a, 'Hey look at this! I think it's a fake!' 'Let me see... hey! Me too!' but instead we've seen it separately and then realized we all thought so) a dark layer on top set with a transparent effect which lets the original image show through. If I'm wrong, then I hope it's proven to be so. We're just being thorough. I'm really trying to prove that it does not have the original behind. Sadly, the original I used's link is broken, so you are only able to view athumbnail. But even then, you can tell that I made the scarf AND hair. I also had another vexel suspended for leaving the hair, in which I meant to do. And it was obvious. BUT I resubmitted with vexelled hair to keep it from getting suspended, yet it was still suspended, so I just deleted it. I am also trying to do something about the other picture, so I deleted that as well. I'm not even going to bother resubmitting that one. But I do feel as if my vexels have been suspended for no reason, atleast not a reason that is stated in the rules. I have read every bit of rule and there is nothing that says you are not able to leave the original image (even though I did not). If you could direct me to the place that it states this, then I am sorry. But other than that, is it not up to the artist on what they do with their art as long as they are abliging the "stated" rules? |
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| Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 01:30 am | |
| Where are there rules? | ||
| ronette | 02nd April 2006 - 01:35 am | |
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Quote Echoia Where are there rules? That is what I am wondering. Haha. Besides the starting "Before you post" thingy and the little tags below the submission form, there is nothing. That is why I am wondering why I am not able to submit a picture that has a part of the original or looks like it or whatever. For the most part, I have been treated very rudely in this whole ordeal. I did not break any rules. My submission was not a photo, lineart and I used no filters. Therefore, my vexels were unjustly deleted. SUGGESTION: A detailed Rules and Regulations page so that newbies like me do not have this problem again. |
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| Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 01:41 am | |
| There is no way to prevent this problem- people submit full-on, unedited photos here. There are loose guidelines and basically one is, don't try to trick us. We work hard and so should you. Vexels are explained as graphics created of blocky layers to make up a cartoonish image and it's GOOD that there's a lot of freedom in that. When a vexel is submitted with a background photo and it's obviously there and not something deceptive, that's fine, it's often really appreciated (looks cool in contrast) however when people overlay the photo onto their vinished vexel that will dramatically change the look of the vexel and that's just not cool to do to people who spend 20 or 30 hours creating a graphic and do not 'cheat' at all. There are a LOT of threads about this stuff, the discussions come up regularly and it's pretty easy to find that we dont' like to see images being 'passed off' as a part of the vexel. |
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| ronette | 02nd April 2006 - 01:47 am | |
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Quote Echoia There is no way to prevent this problem- people submit full-on, unedited photos here. There are loose guidelines and basically one is, don't try to trick us. We work hard and so should you. Vexels are explained as graphics created of blocky layers to make up a cartoonish image and it's GOOD that there's a lot of freedom in that. When a vexel is submitted with a background photo and it's obviously there and not something deceptive, that's fine, it's often really appreciated (looks cool in contrast) however when people overlay the photo onto their vinished vexel that will dramatically change the look of the vexel and that's just not cool to do to people who spend 20 or 30 hours creating a graphic and do not 'cheat' at all. There are a LOT of threads about this stuff, the discussions come up regularly and it's pretty easy to find that we dont' like to see images being 'passed off' as a part of the vexel. Yes, I understand completely. BUT....one of the vexels that I submitted (the one I use as my user icon) I left the hair because I was focusing on the face AND because I was somewhat trying to recreate a certain style I have seen on DeviantArt which I love. I was not given any chance of explaining at all. I do not really care about the other one, although I had no part of the original photo in it, but the one that I have as my user icon I would really like to put back up. OH!!! And also, I was acually asked whether or not I had left the image with the original hair, I replied that I did. So why was it deleted? |
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| Linda |
02nd April 2006 - 03:16 am | |
| (I sent you a message) I think that when I set up a proper rules page I should say that none of the original can be left of the person or main feature type of thing. I really only think the background should be allowed or some small irrelevant parts that are still obviously the photo. Like if it's of a person then none of the person or clothes should be photo :\ Is that too harsh? *need opinions* |
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Seven |
02nd April 2006 - 03:21 am | |
| ^^Eh, I was kind of worried about that. I was planning on doing a series where I vexeled images but left elements of the original photo in there. I guess that'll just be a DA thing though if I get around to it. | ||
| Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 03:25 am | |
| O.k., let me see... mods suspend when they suspect something is up, then Linda gets the message and a link to the vexel in question. If she decides it's o.k. for it to be up she can unsuspend it and it goes back up, it isn't deleted just because it's been suspended and resubmitting vexels that have been suspended or deleted REALLY annoys... uhm... Sarah *coughs and grins*. As for the one with the boy and the hair- I have no idea. I think it's been decided that leaving the hair on constitutes not finishing a vexel in most cases? Yes, you can say, 'Well I made it I get to decide' but when it was like that there were vexels being submitted that were just floating hair and the vexeller would simply put in the description, 'It was never meant to be more than hair'. They don't -feel- complete, so there has to be some point at which other people get to say, 'Well, o.k., this doesn't seem completed,' or at least get to say to other people, 'Does this feel complete to you? Can we get a consensus on it?' Not to be rude, but this isn't the 'scraps' section (or wahtever it's called) at DeviantArt. If someone gets halfway through something and then gets sick of it and says, 'O.k. I'm done' and sticks it up it kind of sucks for us. There are a lot of things I haven't finished and I would love compliments (that's right, compliments- no tips PLEASE! :P) on the parts I -have- finished but I don't stick them up here because that isn't what this is for. Just because you decide not to finish something doesn't mean it is complete. |
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| Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 03:27 am | |
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Quote Seven ^^Eh, I was kind of worried about that. I was planning on doing a series where I vexeled images but left elements of the original photo in there. I guess that'll just be a DA thing though if I get around to it. Me too : / But it is a theme and I don't think it would be suspended anyway because the idea is very clear? Does that make sense? Like I have this idea in my head of photos I want to take and then vexel but only part of them is going to be vexelled and I -MIGHT- write a poem to set them off with which would explain it better (but I'm not talking about it til it's done! well... anymore than I just did) |
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| ronette | 02nd April 2006 - 03:36 am | |
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Quote Echoia Not to be rude, but this isn't the 'scraps' section (or wahtever it's called) at DeviantArt. If someone gets halfway through something and then gets sick of it and says, 'O.k. I'm done' and sticks it up it kind of sucks for us. There are a lot of things I haven't finished and I would love compliments (that's right, compliments- no tips PLEASE! :P) on the parts I -have- finished but I don't stick them up here because that isn't what this is for. Just because you decide not to finish something doesn't mean it is complete. Yes...but I finished it. I did not mean for it to be a scrap. But, whatever, do what you must. The feeling that I get from all of you is that if people do not make something that is not exactly how you would make a vexel or if a person tries a different style, then it does not belong here. Which is fine with me. I enjoy DA. I'll just stay there. Thanks anyways. I learned a lot while I was here. |
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| Linda |
02nd April 2006 - 03:39 am | |
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Quote ronette
Quote Echoia Not to be rude, but this isn't the 'scraps' section (or wahtever it's called) at DeviantArt. If someone gets halfway through something and then gets sick of it and says, 'O.k. I'm done' and sticks it up it kind of sucks for us. There are a lot of things I haven't finished and I would love compliments (that's right, compliments- no tips PLEASE! :P) on the parts I -have- finished but I don't stick them up here because that isn't what this is for. Just because you decide not to finish something doesn't mean it is complete. Yes...but I finished it. I did not mean for it to be a scrap. But, whatever, do what you must. The feeling that I get from all of you is that if people do not make something that is not exactly how you would make a vexel or if a person tries a different style, then it does not belong here. Which is fine with me. I enjoy DA. I'll just stay there. Thanks anyways. I learned a lot while I was here. There are a huge range of styles in vexels here.. but we have to draw a line *somewhere* This is vexels.net afterall.. not everytypeofartunderthesun.net like DA or vexelsmixedwithphotos.net.. the site is purely for vexels. |
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radioslutx |
02nd April 2006 - 03:59 am | |
| "There are a huge range of styles in vexels here.. but we have to draw a line *somewhere* This is www.vexels.net afterall.. not everytypeofartunderthesun.net like DA or vexelsmixedwithphotos.net.. the site is purely for vexels. " I haven't seen any of Ronette's works. But I was reading through this thread and automatically also thought "there should be a rule on this". I think it's odd that vexels get suspended when it didn't break any certain rule. Aren't mods meant to enforce rules, so only punish people when they are breaking one? Really now mods are picking besides the rules, meaning they could pick on ANYTHING. So back to the quote on top, if you're saying everything submitted here must be purely vexels. Make it a rule. Then it'll be understandable. This is also what Ronette's been trying to ask you all throughout this whole thread but nobody seems to respond to it. Just make the rule, nobody will go against it because it enforces what the site should be. It just keeps out the people who thought/wanted to do otherwise. |
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| Linda |
02nd April 2006 - 04:02 am | |
| There is already a rule that the image must be a vexel. | ||
| Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 04:10 am | |
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Quote ronette
Quote Echoia Not to be rude, but this isn't the 'scraps' section (or wahtever it's called) at DeviantArt. If someone gets halfway through something and then gets sick of it and says, 'O.k. I'm done' and sticks it up it kind of sucks for us. There are a lot of things I haven't finished and I would love compliments (that's right, compliments- no tips PLEASE! :P) on the parts I -have- finished but I don't stick them up here because that isn't what this is for. Just because you decide not to finish something doesn't mean it is complete. Yes...but I finished it. I did not mean for it to be a scrap. But, whatever, do what you must. The feeling that I get from all of you is that if people do not make something that is not exactly how you would make a vexel or if a person tries a different style, then it does not belong here. Which is fine with me. I enjoy DA. I'll just stay there. Thanks anyways. I learned a lot while I was here. *frowns* There are a LOT of different styles- in fact, the mods brought one of my own vexels up in discussion as to whether or not it was a vexel because of how smooth it looked. http://www.vexels.net/vexels/4913 that one. I was upset to see it go because it is one of my favorite graphics I've ever made (I have a copy of it hanging on my wall) and I DO think of it as a vexel though I did not soley use vexelling techniques to create it. In the end it was left because in the course of making it a vexel I did intentionally use vexelling techniques for the final product (my intention from the start and as it is in the gallery now is as it was submitted in the first place, it was never suspended or deleted) and was deemed acceptable. This isn't the first time I've heard this and it's ridiculous- I don't see what makes some of you decide that you are such vexelling pioneers when you -first- start that we're just picking on you because you don't do things like us. We're not afraid of your 'new and different' techniques. And Amy (I think that's your name and dont' wanna call you 'radioslut' :P) there are just a lot of things that will not be black and white. No, we're not 'picking on' people. We have a thread that we go to and post urls and ask, 'Is this a vexel? Anyone else have an opinion on why it isn't, if you think it's not?' The image being talked about in this thread- I saw it this morning. Later I saw another mod mention it, then Sarah said she had already suspended it and if it was re-added that means Linda had deleted it. Really, it's not that hard to figure it out if it's been suspended and then deleted by the admin. Maybe after this goes on a bit longer it will be easier to make rules about these things, it's become a LOT easier to set them up (in my head) since this site first started. Linda did say that she's considering making a rules page and adding that no part of the original image can be in the main subject. I think it's pretty obvious that we don't want images submitted where a shape has been added over the face at 20% opacity and the same done to the hair, clothes etc. I'm not saying it was that extreme with this particular image but it really did look like the hair was stuck under a couple of low-opacity layers. Grr, must get a job and pay for Linda's insurance ~wanders away |
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| radioslutx |
02nd April 2006 - 04:10 am | |
| ^ Did you explain it carefully enough, though? Because people can interpret vexel as lots of things (how many definitions has this board seen?! lol) so adding stuff like "no overlapping the original" and "not allowed to only vexelling parts of an original" into the rules might just clear it up more for the newcomers. | ||
| Linda |
02nd April 2006 - 04:22 am | |
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Quote Echoia noope, I didn't delete it, I'd never seen it. I think she must have deleted it herself?Later I saw another mod mention it, then Sarah said she had already suspended it and if it was re-added that means Linda had deleted it. I usually leave them for about a week before deleting them (unless it's a photo or something really obvious) just in case the person protests.. like this. |
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| Sarah |
02nd April 2006 - 04:27 am | |
| Okay, for the most part, the vexels submitted to www.vexels.net are FINE. the mods are doing their jobs if it's not. If an image is suspended, there's a reason for it, easy as that. If Linda decides that it doesn't need to be suspended, so be it, but PLEASE STOP ARGUING ABOUT IT. Like i said, if it was suspended, it was suspended for a reason. Amy, there are rules. there's an entire page dedicated to it on the forum, and Linda is working on an official one probably as we speak. |
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| radioslutx |
02nd April 2006 - 04:30 am | |
| ^ I'm not trying to make a fight out of this. =/ I just wanted to state my view on how I thought it would be good to clarify it for everybody by maybe adding more clearer rules. It was only a suggestion. | ||
| Echoia |
02nd April 2006 - 04:32 am | |
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Quote Linda
Quote Echoia noope, I didn't delete it, I'd never seen it. I think she must have deleted it herself?Later I saw another mod mention it, then Sarah said she had already suspended it and if it was re-added that means Linda had deleted it. I usually leave them for about a week before deleting them (unless it's a photo or something really obvious) just in case the person protests.. like this. Grr, that's not exactly what I was trying to say *thinks* What I meant was that if it gets deleted (by someone besides the owner) that you had to be the person who did it and that if you delete it they need to not re-submit because... well, gosh, there aren't like thousands of submissions a day for their image to get lost in and overlooked the next time so I don't see the point. It's not like it's going to get 'snuck through'. That makes it seem like they're just being difficult and refusing to abide by the guidelines for the site and only serves to alienate them. And since Linda didn't delete it, Sarah, clearly people are trying to drive you insane : ) ~joyful |
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| Sarah |
02nd April 2006 - 05:28 am | |
| Amy, i wasn't screaming at you, i was screaming at the maker of the thread. Sorry. ;D Echo: I always knew you and linda were the source of my insanity :( |
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